Hey Mike,
We usually use conditioned tap water, which means water that has had an HHO cell running in it for at least an hour. THen you let it sit, and all the minerals etc will drop to the bottom.
We sometimes use 1 tsp of baking soda per 4 litres as an electrolyte.
Hi Basoeto,
we have been using trial and error to get different results in that area. It is a function of how much positive and negative electrode is in the water, as well as the amount of gap between them. The smaller the gap, the more electricity can get through the water. The more surface area, the more amps used. Electrolyte solutions will allow more amps through. A resistor can be put in line to constrict the current to a specific level, or a switch such as that used for a car heater fan to get preset amp levels.
1) Is there a difference in the volume of gass production between a SS#316 vs. a SS#304 plate?
2) I noticed that the LxWxH of most of the SS Plates that people are using seem to be pretty standard. Is there a reason behind this measurement or can the SS Plates (Annodes / Cathodes) be of different sizes?
I am also curious if the different size plates will add to a greater production of Browns Gass?
The gas production between 304 and 316 will not differ. 316 has extra hardener for extreme corrosive conditions such as acids.
You can make your electrode plates any size you want, however the bigger you make your cell the more amperage it will draw but you will make more gas.
You don’t need large volumes of hho to make a substantial increase in mileage if thats what you are looking for. We have tested several cells on our own vehicles with very good success.
The advantages of using treated or conditioned water is that your cell will start producing at a good rate immediately providing the electrodes are also conditioned. The second advantage is that your generator can run longer without having to flush out the sediment that can build up quite fast and impair the production of hho.
I`m worries, because you know the Hydrogen when Burn will give enrgy around 3000 Deg Celcius, so if you instal the Hydrogen Generator in You car will problem with your Engine Block, bacause you engine block designed not for 3000 Deg Celcius, so this is will impact to Engine Block Life time.
Hi Erwin. We wonder what the long term effects are as well. We have not put a egt gauge on a test vehicle yet, however the f150 truck does run a little cooler with a hho generator on it. The truck did not run very well after having a generator on it for a while because the spark plugs were fouling up from old carbon deposits coming out of the engine. It does run good again after about 600km. This truck has 320000kms on it and has a rough life so any signs of excess heat or detonation should be esay to see as the engine won’t tolerate much abuse. The engine is a 5.0l and has got up to 33mph without overdrive.
I recently built my own HHO I used 16″ of 3″ pcv before I even read your site. I thought that it’s the most pratical setup. My anode is 3 plates of SS 2.5″x10″ 2mm apart -+- charged. I am using connectors and noticed after 10 minutes of use they looked horrible. I was wondering if you would sell your anodes with two feet of wire already soldered on. I also added way to much electrolyte to my first batch, my set up with tap water produced 6 amps and then with all the crap I added to the distilled water it jump to 75amps. I was hooking a 200 amp battery charger to it. I ended up diluting it but it still drawed 25amps at start up. I think I’ll use the 1tsp to a gallon of water that you guys recommend.
I build a simple HHO generator and I got a good output I tested it already with my nissan sentra 1.6L ‘93model, my exhaus emit drops of water. My only problem is the water inside my HHO generator getting too hot, do I need to add cooling device or have something to adjust in my generator? I used spiral stainless wire with 13 turns .5 inch gap., distilled water with 1 teaspoon of baking soda.
how about using a 12v marine livewell pump, pull water off the unit from one side , run it through a radiator and back in the other side to cool? It would increase the volume of water ,take longer to heat. The radiator cap is also preset to releive pressure if it gets too great and are set up for a reserve tank to draw more in when needed, Anyone try anything like this yet??
That might work, Kevhead. Seems pretty complicated, will use a lot of electricity and take up a lot of room. We haven’t tried anything like that because we are concentrating on making small compact units that draw low amps.
Hi kenny. The poly mesh we use is made from the same thing pop bottles are made from. You can find it in a garden center, it’s used for keeping leaves out of your house gutters. Wrapping the mesh between the plates keeps them from touching when you are wrapping the metal. The mesh doesn’t restrict the gas from comming out of the cell because it is cross woven and always has spaces between it and the electrode plates for the gas to escape.
Found this site googling for ‘hydrogen plans’
Am very interested in attempting a generator.
Question: is there more energy liberated from the water than the amount of electrical energy put into the system?
Keep up the good work
Walter…
Hi Walter. Some hho generators create enough HHO to achieve overunity. We have had the best results with small generators that only draw three to seven amps.
I found this company that manufactures stainless steel containers. I will be using some of your design, but only wonder if this is good idea. I would think that the cap should be made of non conductive material.
Hi Robert. Yes a stainless steel container will work with the wrapped electrodes. It would be best if the housing is not grounded as it can act like a neutral or cathode and change your generator function. This applies to other generators as well, something to consider in the future.
Is the amount of Hydrogen produced a direct function of the amount of Amps drawn? Or can you get the same amount of Hydrogen w/ less Amps thru the use of an efficient design?
I’ve ran Propane in the past and I know that I need approximately a 45 hp increase at the rear wheels (as measured on a dyno) to get any meaningful fuel economy improvements because of the weight of my F250. I’m planning on replacing the Propane w/ Hydrogen as they seem to function in a similiar manner once inside the combustion chamber. How much Hydrogen do I need to achieve that hp increase? Would I measure it in Amps or just measure the volume of Hydrogen gas that is put off?
Has any one thought of a good way to regulate the amount of Hydrogen gas going into the motor? Maybe TPS or boost sensitive? Maybe have two generators w/ one turned on at light throttle settings and w/ both turned on at heavy throttle settings?
Does anyone sell simple completed generators at a reasonable price?
The advantages of using treated or conditioned water is that your cell will start producing at a good rate immediately, providing the electrodes are also conditioned.
My question is this, “How do I condition the Electrodes?” In my generator, I’m using 3/32 stranded SS wire wrapped around a 2.5 by 2.5 Plexaglass “X” shape that is 10 inches long. The wraps are 1/2 inch apart and will be in a 5 Gal bucket. If all goes well, I plan on adding 2 more generators in this bucket later.
Conditioning your electrodes is done by using your generator. Most stainless steel has a polished finish which does not make very much hho at first. The longer you use your generator the better it should produce and can reach maximum in about ten hours depending on the quallity and finish of the stainless.
The wire electrodes we have tried work well although we did not use them for extended period will last long enough to save more in gasoline than the cost to replace them.
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good job guys,
I appreciate your willingness to support the environment with HHO DIY technology.
Daniel Eshkol
India / Asia.
what do you pretreat the water with and at what ratio.
also, what do you use as an elctrolyte
Hey Mike,
We usually use conditioned tap water, which means water that has had an HHO cell running in it for at least an hour. THen you let it sit, and all the minerals etc will drop to the bottom.
We sometimes use 1 tsp of baking soda per 4 litres as an electrolyte.
What are the advantages of using pre-treated water?
Guys
can we make hydrogen generator with 5 ampere or under 10 ampere current for it ?
Basoeto
Indonesia /Asia
Hi Basoeto,
we have been using trial and error to get different results in that area. It is a function of how much positive and negative electrode is in the water, as well as the amount of gap between them. The smaller the gap, the more electricity can get through the water. The more surface area, the more amps used. Electrolyte solutions will allow more amps through. A resistor can be put in line to constrict the current to a specific level, or a switch such as that used for a car heater fan to get preset amp levels.
Two Questions:
1) Is there a difference in the volume of gass production between a SS#316 vs. a SS#304 plate?
2) I noticed that the LxWxH of most of the SS Plates that people are using seem to be pretty standard. Is there a reason behind this measurement or can the SS Plates (Annodes / Cathodes) be of different sizes?
I am also curious if the different size plates will add to a greater production of Browns Gass?
Thanks,
Thanks for visiting our site.
The gas production between 304 and 316 will not differ. 316 has extra hardener for extreme corrosive conditions such as acids.
You can make your electrode plates any size you want, however the bigger you make your cell the more amperage it will draw but you will make more gas.
You don’t need large volumes of hho to make a substantial increase in mileage if thats what you are looking for. We have tested several cells on our own vehicles with very good success.
Hello Dewey.
The advantages of using treated or conditioned water is that your cell will start producing at a good rate immediately providing the electrodes are also conditioned. The second advantage is that your generator can run longer without having to flush out the sediment that can build up quite fast and impair the production of hho.
I`m worries, because you know the Hydrogen when Burn will give enrgy around 3000 Deg Celcius, so if you instal the Hydrogen Generator in You car will problem with your Engine Block, bacause you engine block designed not for 3000 Deg Celcius, so this is will impact to Engine Block Life time.
Hi Erwin. We wonder what the long term effects are as well. We have not put a egt gauge on a test vehicle yet, however the f150 truck does run a little cooler with a hho generator on it. The truck did not run very well after having a generator on it for a while because the spark plugs were fouling up from old carbon deposits coming out of the engine. It does run good again after about 600km. This truck has 320000kms on it and has a rough life so any signs of excess heat or detonation should be esay to see as the engine won’t tolerate much abuse. The engine is a 5.0l and has got up to 33mph without overdrive.
I recently built my own HHO I used 16″ of 3″ pcv before I even read your site. I thought that it’s the most pratical setup. My anode is 3 plates of SS 2.5″x10″ 2mm apart -+- charged. I am using connectors and noticed after 10 minutes of use they looked horrible. I was wondering if you would sell your anodes with two feet of wire already soldered on. I also added way to much electrolyte to my first batch, my set up with tap water produced 6 amps and then with all the crap I added to the distilled water it jump to 75amps. I was hooking a 200 amp battery charger to it. I ended up diluting it but it still drawed 25amps at start up. I think I’ll use the 1tsp to a gallon of water that you guys recommend.
Hey guys,
I build a simple HHO generator and I got a good output I tested it already with my nissan sentra 1.6L ‘93model, my exhaus emit drops of water. My only problem is the water inside my HHO generator getting too hot, do I need to add cooling device or have something to adjust in my generator? I used spiral stainless wire with 13 turns .5 inch gap., distilled water with 1 teaspoon of baking soda.
thanks,
Allan / Manila, Philippines
how about using a 12v marine livewell pump, pull water off the unit from one side , run it through a radiator and back in the other side to cool? It would increase the volume of water ,take longer to heat. The radiator cap is also preset to releive pressure if it gets too great and are set up for a reserve tank to draw more in when needed, Anyone try anything like this yet??
That might work, Kevhead. Seems pretty complicated, will use a lot of electricity and take up a lot of room. We haven’t tried anything like that because we are concentrating on making small compact units that draw low amps.
I am a little confused, I see the metal being rolled to make the hho generator, but did not understand the type of material between the plates,
Can yuou explain what type of material that is
Hi kenny. The poly mesh we use is made from the same thing pop bottles are made from. You can find it in a garden center, it’s used for keeping leaves out of your house gutters. Wrapping the mesh between the plates keeps them from touching when you are wrapping the metal. The mesh doesn’t restrict the gas from comming out of the cell because it is cross woven and always has spaces between it and the electrode plates for the gas to escape.
I’ve just bought the “Water Car Pro” book, and it was not as good and easy to follow as the makers, hwo also sell it, claimed…
-so my point; glad your doi’n this site. looking forwards to see more info…
Found this site googling for ‘hydrogen plans’
Am very interested in attempting a generator.
Question: is there more energy liberated from the water than the amount of electrical energy put into the system?
Keep up the good work
Walter…
Hi Walter. Some hho generators create enough HHO to achieve overunity. We have had the best results with small generators that only draw three to seven amps.
I found this company that manufactures stainless steel containers. I will be using some of your design, but only wonder if this is good idea. I would think that the cap should be made of non conductive material.
http://www.eaglestainless.com/products/cus_modif/cust_mod_list.html
Any input on this would be appreciated.
Hi Robert. Yes a stainless steel container will work with the wrapped electrodes. It would be best if the housing is not grounded as it can act like a neutral or cathode and change your generator function. This applies to other generators as well, something to consider in the future.
Is the amount of Hydrogen produced a direct function of the amount of Amps drawn? Or can you get the same amount of Hydrogen w/ less Amps thru the use of an efficient design?
I’ve ran Propane in the past and I know that I need approximately a 45 hp increase at the rear wheels (as measured on a dyno) to get any meaningful fuel economy improvements because of the weight of my F250. I’m planning on replacing the Propane w/ Hydrogen as they seem to function in a similiar manner once inside the combustion chamber. How much Hydrogen do I need to achieve that hp increase? Would I measure it in Amps or just measure the volume of Hydrogen gas that is put off?
Has any one thought of a good way to regulate the amount of Hydrogen gas going into the motor? Maybe TPS or boost sensitive? Maybe have two generators w/ one turned on at light throttle settings and w/ both turned on at heavy throttle settings?
Does anyone sell simple completed generators at a reasonable price?
Thanks for your input.
Aron on June 2nd, 2008 at 2:49 pm you told Dewey:
The advantages of using treated or conditioned water is that your cell will start producing at a good rate immediately, providing the electrodes are also conditioned.
My question is this, “How do I condition the Electrodes?” In my generator, I’m using 3/32 stranded SS wire wrapped around a 2.5 by 2.5 Plexaglass “X” shape that is 10 inches long. The wraps are 1/2 inch apart and will be in a 5 Gal bucket. If all goes well, I plan on adding 2 more generators in this bucket later.
Thanks for all your help
Hi Richard.
Conditioning your electrodes is done by using your generator. Most stainless steel has a polished finish which does not make very much hho at first. The longer you use your generator the better it should produce and can reach maximum in about ten hours depending on the quallity and finish of the stainless.
The wire electrodes we have tried work well although we did not use them for extended period will last long enough to save more in gasoline than the cost to replace them.